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Democratic Socialism - Not for the Workers! Explained Here

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Democratic Socialism - Not for the Workers! Explained Here published by The 1st Amender
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Posted on 2019-02-21
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I had gotten into a debate with a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist. I had to ask what were his reasons in believing the way he does. I simply do not understand it from a fundamental point. Listening to him as closely as I could, believed that someone gaining profits off of the backs of other workers is somehow immoral. I had to get it into the nitty gritty. I gave him a whole spiel about how you have an ownership to your own labor. I wrote a whole article about it in fact: "The Philosophical Approach to Labor." Without having to bore you or get you to read an entire article to get my point across, here is the cliffnotes version:

You have a right to your own labor. You have a right to own your labor and then sell that labor to whoever you want voluntarily. Nobody can assume right to your labor because you own your own body. Furtherly, because you have ownership of your own labor, that also means because labor can also be tied to land (IE farming, real estate, resources, etc) then by theory you must also have right and ownership to land. To think of someone like a statue maker, that when someone who brings a statue into creation, that somehow the statue could possibly be owned by anyone else other than the statue maker is obsurd.

Now, with all that being said, the debate I got into with the Democratic Socialist was a disagreement that you can sell your own labor voluntarily. Somehow, you have no right to sell your time and effort to someone else, IE, a paycheck. Why couldn't you? Why would a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist possibly argue the fact? So I had to break it down.

"Mr. Democratic Socialist, let's say you enjoy walking dogs. Let's then say that someone asks you that they want you to walk their dog for money. Is that wrong?"

The democratic socialist responded: "No. Not at all. I just don't like that people can hire other people and then reap profits which is theft on the worker."

"So then is management somehow supposed to not be labor that you are due your wages?" I replied.

"Management is labor of course."

"So then lets say that I put in $5000 to start a mushroom growing. I buy the logs. I buy the seeds. I have the land and organize it to then make the mushrooms and put the logs in trash bags to be checked in 6 months. Now let's say that we have a restaurant nearby that sells mushroom pizzas. So the entrepreneur farmer goes to the mushroom pizza owner and asks if they are willing to pick their mushrooms for a cut of 20% of the mushrooms. Is that wrong?"

"Yes." said the Democratic Socialist.

It doesn't matter when there is a mutual arrangement. Somehow, despite the mushroom pizza owner and the owner of the mushroom farm having mutually come to an agreement, that it is immoral.  This is precisely into the point that Democratic Socialism isn't for the workers. That somehow you do not have an ownership to sell your own labor. To think that you could voluntarily decide to give up your time and effort for pay is known as immoral to a Democratic Socialist. So let's all just sit around and do nothing because work and sacrificing with effort is somehow immoral. I derive to this conclusion because to think that you don't have a right to your own labor and therefore to sell it is pure madness.

In order to have ownership to labor, you must then have the ability to sell it as you please. Your work and toil through effort, that nobody has ownership. So if you were to voluntarily sell your labor to whoever you see fit, is for the workers. Any digression of that fact is incorrect and not for the workers. Period.

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Anonymous: 2019-06-05 11:00:02 ID:3217

To not make a profit is to guarantee failure, because without profit there are no resources for innovation, investment, or even to maintain the current materiel. Socialism fails for valid reasons, and not because it's not been done properly.

Anonymous: 2021-02-18 10:31:39 ID:5193

Counterpoint: people take losses for innovation all the time. You need capital not profits.